Hassapopoulos: "I saw the whole video (note: with Ioannis Kalaitzis, Scientific Director of the private longevity unit Notia Medcare, which he was promoting and was present at the opening of) that I had not seen with the responsible person there. He talks normally about plasmaphoeresis. It's the same process! Whatever we say about Mazionakis, he does it too." Anthí Voulgaris: "As long as the minister admits that the framework here is gray, how can you go and inaugurate a clinic where the legislative framework is gray? And why do we say this? Now the clinic does not provide specific treatments. Amalia Kolonelou called and was told that the treatment has been suspended, after the latest developments..." Hassapopoulos: "...and the minister is trying to convince us that it wasn't like that and that plasmaphoeresis doesn't happen there." (translated)