Marcelina Zawisza explains Szczerba and Joński: "I remember the secret meeting when Jarosław Kaczyński spoke about the threat. At that time, we had two such MPs, who are very well known in Poland, Joński and Szczerba, who 5 seconds after that SECRET meeting were running around, mocking Kaczyński, saying that he was fantasizing... I would like everyone to take this matter seriously." Some simply have not matured to serious politics. (translated)