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Jussi Mäkinen wrote that Finnish immigration discussion, in his experience, had focused on the need for workers in low-paying jobs and funding for the pension system. He criticized that councilor Meri was condemned for speaking about what she thought. Mäkinen also pondered whether conclusions could be drawn from the names of those accepted into the Swedish-speaking medical faculty. Mäkinen criticized Marin's government's decision to raise the compulsory schooling age to 18. According to him, the reform had provided state-funded textbooks and school transportation for upper middle-class high school students, but at the same time enrolled youths in education who might not attend classes. He mentioned hearing from acquaintances in vocational schools in the capital region that, for example, selected students in electrical studies had not showed up for school even after the second academic year had started. Mäkinen also claimed that educational institutions received funding based on the names on student lists, even if the student did not show up. Mäkinen wrote that the proportion of those completing secondary education had risen from about 77.9 percent to 79.4 percent among those young people who turned 20 by the spring of that year. He challenged Meri to publish a positive update when the students on the list would have graduated. Mäkinen estimated that nearly 90 percent of those accepted to high school had Finnish backgrounds and nearly 90 percent of those accepted to vocational schools had immigrant backgrounds. He also shared that his friend, a Master's degree holder in business sciences who had come to Finland as a refugee from Kosovo, had said that they had learned better Finnish on a football team than in a classroom with immigrant-background students. Finally, Mäkinen reminded of a previous discussion where it was deemed important to transfer Finnish children from their local school to a school where the majority of students belonged to the S2 language group. He wrote that the backgrounds of the names on vocational school student lists could not yet be discussed. #maahanmuutto #koulutus #suomi (translated)

Roni Arvonen stated that he had spoken with a 19-year-old entrepreneur about YEL payments. According to him, the young person was paying over 400 euros a month in YEL payments because, in his opinion, the pension salesperson had misled him. According to Arvonen, the young person's small first business generated about 5,000 euros in YEL payments per year, regardless of income. He strongly criticized the situation. #yrittäjyys #YEL #nuoret (translated)

Antero Paljakka OLY wrote that the pension contribution indicated on the pay slip was 7.3 percent, whereas in reality, according to him, 25.5 percent of the salary went to it. He described the practice as a tax technical deception stemming from the legacy of the 1993 recession and claimed that naming over two-thirds of the contribution as the employer's share led Finns to perceive pension security as inexpensive. According to Paljakka, pension contributions reduced the employee's purchasing power and gross salary, and the employer viewed the total cost as the price of the employee. He asked how long people would accept that a quarter of the value of work went into the system without them having a say in how the funds were used. #eläkkeet #palkka #verotus (translated)

Joonas Kiviranta wrote that the pension contributions paid by the prematurely deceased remained in the pension system according to him, and the heirs received nothing from them. He described property protection as non-existent and the effective inheritance tax rate as 100%. #eläkejärjestelmä #perintö #talous (translated)

Samuli Katainen stated that he started working at the age of 15, but he had only started accumulating retirement benefits from the age of 23. According to him, after eight years of work and paid pension contributions, he had accumulated zero euros in his own pension. Katainen said that his working career would not continue until the proposed retirement age of 70. #eläke #työelämä #nuoret (translated)

Roni Arvonen wrote that Finnish decision-makers would prefer to raise the retirement age for working Finns rather than address the guaranteed pensions of immigrants. He argued that the decision-makers despise the Finnish taxpayer. #Eläkeiät #Veronmaksajat #Maahanmuutto (translated)

Alex Günsberg wrote that, according to him, an equivalent amount to Finland's average pension could be accumulated by investing 1,500 euros in the S&P 500 index for a child at birth if the retirement age were 70 years, or 2,100 euros if it were 65 years. He claimed that through the Ponzi scheme he described, 2.4 billion euros in investment costs and 438 million euros in implementation costs were transferred to interest groups of the state. Günsberg stated the TER for costs was about 1.15% and the TER for the S&P 500 index fund was 0.03%. According to him, savings would accumulate about 3 billion euros per year without changes to current pensions if the state's manipulation were stopped. #eläke #sijoittaminen #talous (translated)

Eero Ahtola wrote that he had lost his trust in the pension system a long time ago. According to him, the quintuple increase in pension contributions and the continuous extension of the retirement age were not right. He also claimed that the heavy pension system had led to a poor state of the rest of the economy. https://t.co/Nr3YLpJzyx #eläke #talous #luottamus (translated)

Roni Arvonen wrote that decision-makers would prefer to raise the retirement age of working Finns rather than cut development aid or Kela benefits for immigrants. He estimated that the patience of ordinary working Finns regarding such spending would run out at some point. #eläkkeet #kehitysapu #maahanmuutto (translated)

Tuomo Saarni pondered the significance of organizations and development aid, stating that he would rather raise the retirement age than give them up. According to him, salaries in the public sector's middle management and above were extremely high while the private sector struggled with profitability. He also wrote that solo entrepreneurs ceased their operations because they could not manage their YEL payments, and believed that the value map of society was misaligned. #kehitysapu #yrittäjyys #julkinensektori (translated)

Aarne Leinonen named the target for cuts in the evening as the adjustment of pensions, which he estimated to be 2.6 percent in 2027 with costs amounting to 1,066,000,000 euros. He wrote that current retirees should participate in balancing Finland's public finances. According to him, the pension system was not sustainable because 25 percent of the taxes from the work of young people were for the benefit of retirees. #RatkaisutRahapulaan #Eläkkeet #Suomi #Talous (translated)

The cap wondered why those advocating for raising the retirement age were often around 70 years old and working in office jobs, rather than those in physical labor. He asked if filsdeproust had any suggestions on how to take care of one's health to be able to do physical shift work at the age of 70. #eläke #terveys #työelämä (translated)

Mika Merano criticized the reported proposals to raise the retirement age to over 70 years and described the idea as extremely senseless. According to him, the proposals were based on the view that people would have an invisible debt to the state and that their role would be to produce tax revenue by working nearly until the end of their lives. Merano called for a reform of the pension system in the opposite direction. He argued that the state should provide only a small minimum safety net and shift more responsibility to the individuals themselves. He suggested a large-scale reduction in mandatory pension contributions so that people would have more money left from their salaries and could save for their retirement if they wanted. Merano justified his stance by emphasizing individual freedom and personal responsibility. He stated that the state should not dictate how long people should work or how they should use their money. #eläke #yksilönvapaudet #valtiopolitiikka (translated)

OsakeKeisari wrote that Jari Sarasvuo assessed that Finland needed more successful companies and entrepreneurs. According to Sarasvuo, there would be no need for discussion about the funding of social security if there were enough resources for it. He believed that 10 billion euros could be cut from the public finances, among other things, from administration. https://t.co/XLNdb83OTV #eläke #yrittäjyys #sosiaaliturva (translated)

But I can state from this position as my own opinion that 70 years is completely unrealistic, and it probably won't happen. It probably won't be acceptable to any parliamentary party in this hall. Prime Minister Petteri Orpo (Nat.) completely dismissed the proposal of a 70-year retirement age as unrealistic and emphasized that it was a proposal from the officials, not the government. #eläke #muistisairaudet #politiikka (translated)